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		<title>By: kudu</title>
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		<dc:creator>kudu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who manufacturers the iris 3000? I read that is a company called UMEC in partnership with ACN. I do a search for UMEC and come up with a company in Taiwan called Universal Microelectronics, but the iris 3000 is nowhere to be found on the web site and why is ACN just saying our partner UMEC? and not the full name of the company, I find this deceptive too. No doubt it is most likely made in some hell hole conditions in China or Taiwan or South Korea. So once again we pay way too much for a product that was probably made for a buck and paid some poor soul barely enough to live on, so ACN reps can get &quot;rich&quot; F*%K free trade and all it stands for, why we do business with those communists I don&#039;t know, we fought them for years and now we are firmly in bed with a Govt that could turn around tomorrow and do another Tiananmen Sq. massacre whenever they feel like it, if they decide this little free trade venture didn&#039;t work for them..Keep on buying cheap outsourced goods made by slaves so we can all have a better life, good work people, convenience at the sake of your children&#039;s future, oh what a selfish egocentric time we live in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who manufacturers the iris 3000? I read that is a company called UMEC in partnership with ACN. I do a search for UMEC and come up with a company in Taiwan called Universal Microelectronics, but the iris 3000 is nowhere to be found on the web site and why is ACN just saying our partner UMEC? and not the full name of the company, I find this deceptive too. No doubt it is most likely made in some hell hole conditions in China or Taiwan or South Korea. So once again we pay way too much for a product that was probably made for a buck and paid some poor soul barely enough to live on, so ACN reps can get &#8220;rich&#8221; F*%K free trade and all it stands for, why we do business with those communists I don&#8217;t know, we fought them for years and now we are firmly in bed with a Govt that could turn around tomorrow and do another Tiananmen Sq. massacre whenever they feel like it, if they decide this little free trade venture didn&#8217;t work for them..Keep on buying cheap outsourced goods made by slaves so we can all have a better life, good work people, convenience at the sake of your children&#8217;s future, oh what a selfish egocentric time we live in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: STEPHEN</title>
		<link>http://www.danwalmsley.com/2008/06/12/acn-video-phone-part-vii-behind-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-35841</link>
		<dc:creator>STEPHEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Wife,thought she was going for a job interview,no matter she is chinese.i was waiting fore her outside,and was asked to come in and listen.Actually I dont mind hype if there is substance behind it ,the attitude.I love the idea you are what you think,and love people with a dream.However having been involved with net work marketing befoer and seeing how easy it was fore me to manipulate people with script and personality,which was fine while I bwelieved those people could win too!Problem I got paid fore those people I brought in,no one duplicated much ,and hype is often creaated by one cheque not consistant earnings.So peole blindly believe just like religion.ACN COULD CREATE WEALTH IS THERE IS BACK CUSTOMER SERVICE AND OF COURSE THE COMPANY COULD ALWAYS CHANGE ITS LUCURATIVE COMMISSION IF YOU GOT THERE,THERE IS AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE NO GAURANTEE YOU WOULD REMAIN THERE.(THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT GET IN TO THE DREAM OF EARNING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY,TELL OTHERS THEY ARE DOING SO ONLY TO HAVE THE ILLUSION OF WEALTH,AND NEVER REALLY ACHIEVING THIS,EXAMPLE OF THIS IS MEGA TREND)Another net work marketing scheam that to could not fail was USANA,IT DIED A SUDDEN DEATH, AND YET APPEARED TO HAVE A FORMULA TO CREATE WEALTH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Wife,thought she was going for a job interview,no matter she is chinese.i was waiting fore her outside,and was asked to come in and listen.Actually I dont mind hype if there is substance behind it ,the attitude.I love the idea you are what you think,and love people with a dream.However having been involved with net work marketing befoer and seeing how easy it was fore me to manipulate people with script and personality,which was fine while I bwelieved those people could win too!Problem I got paid fore those people I brought in,no one duplicated much ,and hype is often creaated by one cheque not consistant earnings.So peole blindly believe just like religion.ACN COULD CREATE WEALTH IS THERE IS BACK CUSTOMER SERVICE AND OF COURSE THE COMPANY COULD ALWAYS CHANGE ITS LUCURATIVE COMMISSION IF YOU GOT THERE,THERE IS AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE NO GAURANTEE YOU WOULD REMAIN THERE.(THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT GET IN TO THE DREAM OF EARNING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY,TELL OTHERS THEY ARE DOING SO ONLY TO HAVE THE ILLUSION OF WEALTH,AND NEVER REALLY ACHIEVING THIS,EXAMPLE OF THIS IS MEGA TREND)Another net work marketing scheam that to could not fail was USANA,IT DIED A SUDDEN DEATH, AND YET APPEARED TO HAVE A FORMULA TO CREATE WEALTH.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.danwalmsley.com/2008/06/12/acn-video-phone-part-vii-behind-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-34055</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was one of the worst experiences I&#039;ve had to deal with in business. I have cancelled my service  and outrageous termination fees  just to be rid of them. One of the phones was never activated. The numerous hours spent trying to get this system in place was exhausting.  Then  to have my service cut off twice for no reason along with my computer put me over the top. This was an expensive lesson that I will not do again. They even took possession of my phone number I have had for 27 years and now it&#039;s gone thrown back into a pool without any notification that that would be done.  I will take responsibility for not doing the homeowork and going on blind faith from a recommendation. The customer service department are robots reading scripts mostly.  I don&#039;t think they have their service orientation when they continue to take full advantage of their clients with ridiculous fees. I&#039;m glad to be rid of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was one of the worst experiences I&#8217;ve had to deal with in business. I have cancelled my service  and outrageous termination fees  just to be rid of them. One of the phones was never activated. The numerous hours spent trying to get this system in place was exhausting.  Then  to have my service cut off twice for no reason along with my computer put me over the top. This was an expensive lesson that I will not do again. They even took possession of my phone number I have had for 27 years and now it&#8217;s gone thrown back into a pool without any notification that that would be done.  I will take responsibility for not doing the homeowork and going on blind faith from a recommendation. The customer service department are robots reading scripts mostly.  I don&#8217;t think they have their service orientation when they continue to take full advantage of their clients with ridiculous fees. I&#8217;m glad to be rid of them.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.danwalmsley.com/2008/06/12/acn-video-phone-part-vii-behind-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-33701</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right. When people post opposing opinions on this blog it makes it fun for me - that&#039;s part of the reason I post at all, to create discussion. And if they didn&#039;t, I probably wouldn&#039;t post more articles. They are, as one might say, &quot;feeding the beast&quot;.

However I wouldn&#039;t characterise those posts as &quot;wasting their time&quot; just because I haven&#039;t changed my own opinion. I mean, who cares if I did change my opinion? Who does it effect? Nobody.

No, I&#039;m much more interested in what happens when someone else comes along from Google or elsewhere and reads what&#039;s written and becomes enlightened. And for that, I have to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. 

Debates like this help to make the world a better place, I think - no matter what I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right. When people post opposing opinions on this blog it makes it fun for me &#8211; that&#8217;s part of the reason I post at all, to create discussion. And if they didn&#8217;t, I probably wouldn&#8217;t post more articles. They are, as one might say, &#8220;feeding the beast&#8221;.</p>
<p>However I wouldn&#8217;t characterise those posts as &#8220;wasting their time&#8221; just because I haven&#8217;t changed my own opinion. I mean, who cares if I did change my opinion? Who does it effect? Nobody.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m much more interested in what happens when someone else comes along from Google or elsewhere and reads what&#8217;s written and becomes enlightened. And for that, I have to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. </p>
<p>Debates like this help to make the world a better place, I think &#8211; no matter what I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: bob the builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob the builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi there everyone i stumbled upon this by mistake but i would just like to point out to all dans opposition that when you are on here argueing with each other you are wasting your time. so let him play around with his judgements by himself and he will soon get fed up. remember the fact that any one with a computer can say what they want about who they want and have an audience with oppinions FOR OR AGAINST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there everyone i stumbled upon this by mistake but i would just like to point out to all dans opposition that when you are on here argueing with each other you are wasting your time. so let him play around with his judgements by himself and he will soon get fed up. remember the fact that any one with a computer can say what they want about who they want and have an audience with oppinions FOR OR AGAINST</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.danwalmsley.com/2008/06/12/acn-video-phone-part-vii-behind-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-32110</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed, because I&#039;m sure the contract says &quot;we will turn your family against you&quot;.

There is a distinction between &quot;legal framework&quot; and &quot;operating practices&quot;. What&#039;s more it&#039;s quite clear from my direct interaction with a salesperson that ACN exploits the naivete and aspirations of potential resellers. 

Most people aren&#039;t capable of understanding a complex legal agreement, let alone all the ramifications. Particularly people who haven&#039;t been in business before.

Therefore it is incumbent upon ACN to operate ethically, or upon the government to stop them from doing business. This is why ACN was investigated by the Australian Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman for potential violations of the Trade Practices Act because they were behaving like a pyramid scheme. 

Say what you like about the fact that ACN avoided conviction - they don&#039;t investigate for nothing. As far as I can tell both customers and resellers have nothing but complaints, or at least apathy, towards ACN&#039;s service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, because I&#8217;m sure the contract says &#8220;we will turn your family against you&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is a distinction between &#8220;legal framework&#8221; and &#8220;operating practices&#8221;. What&#8217;s more it&#8217;s quite clear from my direct interaction with a salesperson that ACN exploits the naivete and aspirations of potential resellers. </p>
<p>Most people aren&#8217;t capable of understanding a complex legal agreement, let alone all the ramifications. Particularly people who haven&#8217;t been in business before.</p>
<p>Therefore it is incumbent upon ACN to operate ethically, or upon the government to stop them from doing business. This is why ACN was investigated by the Australian Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman for potential violations of the Trade Practices Act because they were behaving like a pyramid scheme. </p>
<p>Say what you like about the fact that ACN avoided conviction &#8211; they don&#8217;t investigate for nothing. As far as I can tell both customers and resellers have nothing but complaints, or at least apathy, towards ACN&#8217;s service.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco Rodgers</title>
		<link>http://www.danwalmsley.com/2008/06/12/acn-video-phone-part-vii-behind-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-32109</link>
		<dc:creator>Francisco Rodgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone would simply do the research prior to the signing of the contract then they could choose to sign up or not to sign. If you sign up don&#039;t blame anyone but yourself. Have some ownership in your choice to join the company. The bible says hard work leads to profit and mere talk leads to poverty. Is this considered mere talk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone would simply do the research prior to the signing of the contract then they could choose to sign up or not to sign. If you sign up don&#8217;t blame anyone but yourself. Have some ownership in your choice to join the company. The bible says hard work leads to profit and mere talk leads to poverty. Is this considered mere talk?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, if ACN are a wholly legitimate company, why would they &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; a number of former attorney generals? That makes them sound even more dodgy than they did before.

I never said what they&#039;re doing is illegal. I said it&#039;s immoral. There&#039;s a difference. An immoral company is one that &lt;strong&gt;should&lt;/strong&gt; be out of business, but isn&#039;t because they hired a bunch of former attorneys general to protect them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, if ACN are a wholly legitimate company, why would they <i>need</i> a number of former attorney generals? That makes them sound even more dodgy than they did before.</p>
<p>I never said what they&#8217;re doing is illegal. I said it&#8217;s immoral. There&#8217;s a difference. An immoral company is one that <strong>should</strong> be out of business, but isn&#8217;t because they hired a bunch of former attorneys general to protect them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ther you go Dan, Guadalupe sure gave you the facts. If ACN was a pyramid scheme or a scam or whatever you want to call it why are there a number of former attorney generals on their legal team? Why has Trump&#039;s legal team and the legal teams of all the major providers such as Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&amp;T, Direct TV, Dish TV, etc. allowed themselves to contract with this company? I don&#039;t think they would risk it do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ther you go Dan, Guadalupe sure gave you the facts. If ACN was a pyramid scheme or a scam or whatever you want to call it why are there a number of former attorney generals on their legal team? Why has Trump&#8217;s legal team and the legal teams of all the major providers such as Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&amp;T, Direct TV, Dish TV, etc. allowed themselves to contract with this company? I don&#8217;t think they would risk it do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Guadalupe Mendoza</title>
		<link>http://www.danwalmsley.com/2008/06/12/acn-video-phone-part-vii-behind-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-31855</link>
		<dc:creator>Guadalupe Mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone,

@Dan.
The difference of network marketing and pyramid selling is as follows:

Network Marketing — also known as MLM (&#039;multi-level marketing&#039;), relationship marketing and referral marketing, is the 21st century way for entrepreneurs to build a high income, without having to make huge financial investments. Most MLMs don&#039;t need any premises beyond a computer desk and perhaps a filing cabinet (though some may need storage space for product). Unlike franchises (the business opportunities of the 20th century) in general the upfront investment is small and training is usually free or very cheap. Overheads are low or non-existent, profits can be very high indeed.

At first glance, MLM is very similar to the pyramid schemes which have been made illegal in most of the West. In the pyramid, a representative pays his initial stake when he is recruited and is then shown how to recruit other representatives. Every representative recruited brings a bonus and adds to the potential residual income. But, if no customers are required, sooner or later the whole structure will collapse, because there is nowhere for the income to come from. In pyramid schemes, the people at the top are the only ones who can make money, because there is a limited pool of potential recruits, and no other source of income. It&#039;s pretty obvious that no company can survive for long without any customers.

In a pyramid scheme, your place in the matrix is fixed. You cannot overtake your sponsor. Even if they do nothing after recruiting you, they will still make more money than you.
In MLM, nobody makes any money until there is a sale: the company&#039;s income derives from its customers, and so does the income of the company&#039;s representatives.

-In a pyramid scheme, you are paid bonuses for recruiting other representatives, regardless of whether or not they achieve any sales or gain any customers. Because there is no income to the company, sooner or later this scheme will collapse.

FYI i am also an ACN rep. and customer and i have no complains. Like any other company when its searched on the internet you will find the good, the bad, and the stupid. Thats life. 

Have a great day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone,</p>
<p>@Dan.<br />
The difference of network marketing and pyramid selling is as follows:</p>
<p>Network Marketing — also known as MLM (&#8216;multi-level marketing&#8217;), relationship marketing and referral marketing, is the 21st century way for entrepreneurs to build a high income, without having to make huge financial investments. Most MLMs don&#8217;t need any premises beyond a computer desk and perhaps a filing cabinet (though some may need storage space for product). Unlike franchises (the business opportunities of the 20th century) in general the upfront investment is small and training is usually free or very cheap. Overheads are low or non-existent, profits can be very high indeed.</p>
<p>At first glance, MLM is very similar to the pyramid schemes which have been made illegal in most of the West. In the pyramid, a representative pays his initial stake when he is recruited and is then shown how to recruit other representatives. Every representative recruited brings a bonus and adds to the potential residual income. But, if no customers are required, sooner or later the whole structure will collapse, because there is nowhere for the income to come from. In pyramid schemes, the people at the top are the only ones who can make money, because there is a limited pool of potential recruits, and no other source of income. It&#8217;s pretty obvious that no company can survive for long without any customers.</p>
<p>In a pyramid scheme, your place in the matrix is fixed. You cannot overtake your sponsor. Even if they do nothing after recruiting you, they will still make more money than you.<br />
In MLM, nobody makes any money until there is a sale: the company&#8217;s income derives from its customers, and so does the income of the company&#8217;s representatives.</p>
<p>-In a pyramid scheme, you are paid bonuses for recruiting other representatives, regardless of whether or not they achieve any sales or gain any customers. Because there is no income to the company, sooner or later this scheme will collapse.</p>
<p>FYI i am also an ACN rep. and customer and i have no complains. Like any other company when its searched on the internet you will find the good, the bad, and the stupid. Thats life. </p>
<p>Have a great day!</p>
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